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what's up everybody this is Sean and

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this is Jay and you're watching witness

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what's up hey how's it going man all

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right good I gotta say that I'm so used

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to you doing something after we do like

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the introduction like you're like or

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and so like I'm just uh I'm completely

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ready for that now my muscle memory is

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like ready to go for that and there was

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one show maybe a couple episodes back

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where you didn't do that and I was kind

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of awkwardly waiting for it for like

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half a second or a second like wait

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she's not doing it he's not doing it I

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just gotta go I'm the co-host I gotta do

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my thing it's my thing I've got like a

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signature move now I guess yeah all

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right I'll make sure it's cool I'll make

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sure to keep the finger guns uh in play

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yeah yeah I'll make a little sticky note

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for the top of my monitor remember

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finger guns I appreciate being on my

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toes as well you know I I like you know

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being thrown for a loop not being

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prepared for everything so that you know

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I can it just makes me a better more

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well-rounded well-prepared person and I

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appreciate that you know and things go

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to you completely for every ounce of it

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yeah it sucks I mean you're yeah I think

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you're a gifted improviser so you like

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being thrown for a loop every once in a

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while that's what that's what happens I

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imagine that happens with the intros too

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because you're not sure how long it's

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gonna go when are we going back in is it

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gonna that's right is it gonna is it

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gonna be a stately horns is Donald Kehoe

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going to show up are there gonna be

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drums I have no idea no clue whatsoever

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you should do oh you should prank

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everybody including me and you should we

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should just do a show where you have

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like a 60 Minute open it just is the

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whole and I'm just sitting here with my

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jacket on like you know like a schmuck

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yeah that'd be great anyway okay well

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I'll think about that when I'm really

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pissed off at the community and the the

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complete lack of news then then I'll do

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that it'll be like Andy Kaufman style

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that sounds great yeah it was supposed

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you know have you be upset you know are

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you gonna the Andy Kaufman style though

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are you gonna fake your own death at the

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end of it or maybe don't do that I mean

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that would be that would be a very

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controversial move it'd be fun though

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[Laughter]

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it's great to see everybody in the chat

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yeah what's up everybody in the chat uh

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Zach water lily super crazy movie geek

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about some names I'll see yeah seriously

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yeah Owen from Ohio everybody I'm from

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Ohio I appreciate everyone hanging out

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um last episode was pretty good we we

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did a little bit of news and then we

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read live that uh uh

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that Leonard case yeah the Leonard

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Stringfield case that was awesome I

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really enjoyed that Springfield yeah

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that was good

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Leonard Springfield yeah

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so yeah no that was good we're good so

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we're gonna do a little bit yeah we're

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gonna do a little bit of that today

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um later on with the valet and Eric

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Davis's uh six layer model for uh

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phenomena which is another

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documents so a classic doc yeah so that

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um with compatibility of upcoming uh

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Senate hearings Etc so yeah I have my

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we we get there to to get into that but

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um what do you think of the latest

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uh UAP news I guess you could say right

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um you know what what is your take on is

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it gildebrand or Jill the brand I always

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screwed that up gillibrand so she's

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dod or the military Folks at these like

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kind of hearings she's she's asked a

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couple times now about the budget for

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Arrow the office that her and other

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people stood up within the dod do

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investigate anomalous phenomenon and

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she's getting quite upset with that and

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it seems like they weren't getting a

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budget now they're getting kind of a

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budget like 11 million dollars or

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something which is like half of what

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they're supposed to get so what do you

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think is up with this or are they just

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like uh ignoring it legislation are are

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they too busy with other things all the

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above what do you think

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I I my it would be kind of like my horse

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sense it would be my my strong guess but

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seems like they want to have an office

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for appearances and I don't know how

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much more they want than that in terms

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of like from the dod's perspective I

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know that you know Congress wants it

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seems like members of Congress want

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there to be a functional office like

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gillibrand you know Marco Rubio Bridget

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like Ruben Gallego they're they're a

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significant number of powerful

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politicians on Capitol Hill that

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definitely at least you know have been

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made putting out some strong language

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including Jello Brands especially in

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terms of like wanting wanting something

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substantial there and and there just

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keeps being pushbacks and so I you know

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a lot about like who's going to get

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called to testify for another round of

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hearings uh in Congress and and I would

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have to hope that that some people that

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have been previously involved like

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Stratton or other folks associated with

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previous efforts like atip

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um or even onsap for that matter it

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could be could be involved in a

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situation like this because there needs

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to be there needs to be a more thorough

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accounting of what's what's been going

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on rather than just acting like

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and like and that's been the game for

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the last five years you know what I mean

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and like this slow drip of things and

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like even kind of even that is somewhat

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drawn a little bit out of like the

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Playbook of people like Lou himself you

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know it was great and in many ways and

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he also kind of like you know cracked

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the door open being by you know holy

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crap look at that look at what happened

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in 2004 and then it took you know

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several years to kind of be like

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actually there's stuff going one way

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back then too you know what I mean and

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it was It was kind of annoying when it

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had to go like that and like it's in

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some ways and and at the same time you

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know I'm hoping that we don't have to

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have like a thorough rerun of that kind

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of like um yeah uh like Alzheimer you

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know that just kind of like you know

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forgetful syndrome yeah

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if you dementia yeah like what are you

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saying yeah well I yeah I think it's

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it's clear that they're not taking it as

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seriously as it was designed to be taken

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you know otherwise it would be fully

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budgeted uh they'd have an answer for

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misappropriations or not appropriating

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the the office they'd at least have

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answers for it so it to me it seems like

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it's um going in one ear and out the

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other a little bit

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um for some of these DOD folks um that

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are responsible for this like uh

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secretary Lloyd Austin you know

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um and and why is that I think about why

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that is well it could be a variety of

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things it could be these people don't

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take it seriously

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they aren't aware of the reality of UAP

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and they don't take it seriously now

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that I should say off right away that I

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find that extremely hard to believe so

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so what is it maybe they already have uh

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a project set up for this maybe they're

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already looking into this and and they

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don't want to double up with arrow but

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yet they couldn't tell anyone about it

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because it's a classified project

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the dod you know it does include the Air

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there there is there will be so much to

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answer for

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the more they acknowledge the reality of

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it you know go through Blue Book files I

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know some people are sick of blue book

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or whatever but there's so many files

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speeches transcripts whatever

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that's right repeat the same things that

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are UAB or UFOs that are not a threat to

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there tend to be something mundane if we

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can't explain it's because we don't have

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enough information otherwise we could

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explain it all of these things for

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decades and decades so we're shutting

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down the program

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decades and decades and for them to come

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out and have to say okay you know what

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uh we're funding this office there is a

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reality here so you're kind of admitting

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that you drop the ball as well over the

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past few decades so it's this Tangled

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um web that that they're weaving for

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sure and so a part of it kind of seems

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like they're trying to just uh play Hot

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because come on

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after Blue Book closed do you really

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think no one investigated UFOs like UFOs

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are inherently uh intertwined with

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National Security right because UFO

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means unidentified flying objects so

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what that means is you know like the

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Pearl Harbor the planes that came across

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those are an unidentified flying objects

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you know and so they always have to be

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prepared for that

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so to think that you know first of all

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that UFOs just stopped coming

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you know we know that's

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not real you know they came every ear in

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Blue Book by the hundreds you know it

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doesn't just stop they keep coming you

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just changed what you do so you know

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which most likely is all just military

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behind the scenes investigations of

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unidentified flying objects you know but

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because they represent flying saucers to

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people they they're not going to tell

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people about their project no you know

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so it's all underground so they have all

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these studies in this stuff I guarantee

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you uh behind the scenes and they they

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don't want to bring that out to the

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light you know so I think they're

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probably fighting back as much as they

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can to be quite honest so oh I I think

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so too I I I I agree with you 100 I see

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Owen from Ohio in the chat says he votes

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for Christopher melon I think that that

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would be a great that'd be a great call

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I mean I think he should be up at the

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top of the list for sure

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um in terms of like being being like uh

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out there for Congressional hearings

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yeah I mean I mean maybe you know you

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know but like um uh you know if he held

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a public office I mean he's like a

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really brilliant guy you know I don't

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see any reason not to but um I I you

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know but as far as

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you know other things along those lines

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I see Nathan in the chat as well

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uh

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what's up Nathan first of all

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um uh uh for those of you that don't

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know Nathan uh is on the show calling

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all beings the podcast and he also does

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liminal frames with EXO Academia and

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he's a great guy

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um uh Nathan asks our hearings the real

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Catalyst for broader awareness amongst

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the general public I mean and I guess

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there's a couple different ways we could

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take your question Nathan because it's

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like is that going to be the real

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Catalyst you know question mark in terms

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of

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you know is is that really the way that

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we're going that we're

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best

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for being a catalyst to the general

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public and I would have to say no right

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and like you know people are used to

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hearing I think my generally dismissive

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tone towards like you know government

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Affairs in general in some ways and

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specifically about you know the release

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of information by people that are paid

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to keep secrets at all costs right and

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so yeah I Nathan I don't think that the

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that I think broader awareness will

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happen as in this like that that will be

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a function of more hearings you know

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because each time this happens it it

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brings further validity

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um to the reality of the situation the

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the the the reality of UAP UFOs and

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other anomalous phenomena and you know

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at the same time I think that I

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thoroughly thoroughly believe that like

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academic

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like what Avi loeb's doing for example

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as just kind of like a stud you know I

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think that there should be like a

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hundred programs like avi's you know

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what I mean and all of all of the

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independent efforts that have been out

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there whether regardless of what you

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think of uapx or any of these other

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efforts I think that that stuff is

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fantastic you know

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um the the the idea of being able to you

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know I remember you know Bob McGuire and

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some other folks like starting that Sky

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360 was that what it was called uh sure

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so that so that people could kind of

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like

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um so that there there are some

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guidelines for how people could have a

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network of of kind of independent

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um you know Sky watching gear that would

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be networked together I mean those

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that's a great idea there's there's all

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sorts of things that need to happen that

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way and I think that that's in many ways

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um that that's more fruitful because

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just thinking like uh open AI or chat

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GPT or like um you know a bunch of

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people working on things behind the

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scenes and then they come out with the

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evidence so to speak or the product you

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know so you're kind of thinking maybe

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along the same lines where you know

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private people are going to work

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scientifically trying to figure this

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thing out and they come out with their

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findings when they have them versus the

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government kind of uh writing the

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screenplay for how disclosure should go

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down and you know putting that in action

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right

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oh absolutely and you know most and I

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think in general people are so jaded

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maybe especially after in the

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post-pandemic world you know

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um with the amount of you know

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propaganda and things like that that

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people have been subject to and people

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people are just naturally I think you

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know in disbelief about with regard to

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like the honesty of all sorts of folks

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in Washington DC and surroundings right

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so I think hearings uh would be you know

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it's like kind of a lot of things they'd

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be beneficial if they could go the way

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that I see them going or a lot of us

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would like to see them going right like

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if we're going to put Witnesses with

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with solid testimony uh up in front of

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the American people for a few days on

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National Television I think that is

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worth it you know because

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um

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you know these people need to be heard

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and there's there's probably there's no

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bigger way to be heard after the

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testimonial a lot of them have given

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already on you know national news

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sources or what have you so I think uh

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that would be great you know if it's

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it's a thing where like if you can get

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truth of course let's do hearings but if

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they're just gonna fight back against it

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the whole time like what are we doing

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you know yeah

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and you know like the ivy thing too all

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that kind of you know I I agree with you

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that these things should be happening

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and these you know organizations should

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be taking it upon themselves to try to

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figure stuff out but it's also

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frustrating when you know the government

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has more info that could make oh

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absolutely so much easier you know oh

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absolutely looking up uncorrelated uh

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tracks you know I I was looking that up

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a little bit more and absolutely you

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know the NORAD files

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well those are tracks that

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aren't correlated by like our space

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fence or whatever we had back in the day

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space track like and they they

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categorize all these satellites or or

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other things right so every time they

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pass on the same orbital path they have

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it in their category their catalog of

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objects that are orbiting there so if

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one comes around that's on a different

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orbital path whether it's a satellite

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that got pushed on a different or road

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path or it's something else in general

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those become uncorrelated targets

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because they don't know what it is and

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then it goes through this whole system

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where it gets kicked to this other group

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um you know the words are escaping me

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but then they put a little more work in

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a uncorrelated track to try to figure

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out what it is and if they can't

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they typically uh delete it or they get

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rid of it supposedly but you know

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there's

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I I read this one thing where they were

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getting several they got like somewhere

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about like 20 of those a day you know

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and that was back in 2000 that I read

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that you know there's so much data there

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that could be shared with Scientists

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like Avi absolutely or they could figure

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something out a little quicker possibly

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but you know that's not the way it goes

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so it's but yeah if if the government's

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not gonna you know talk shop and share

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material then yeah I guess you just got

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to do it yourself it's just unfortunate

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I guess I yeah I completely agree with

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but you can also see the flip side like

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the US might be not want people to know

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about too much about uncorrelated

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targets because maybe you know China or

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whatever could design something that

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would you know

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use our blind spot there

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you know yeah yeah I don't know yeah I

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do wonder I mean I I wonder

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you know when when you're talking about

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like 20 20 a day back in 2000 or

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something like that and then we have

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um and then we have you know news I mean

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people have been saying for several

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years now that that the various kind of

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radar capabilities space vents things

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like that have been massively upgraded

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um with kind of Next Generation Hardware

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software within the last few years and

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that's partially what the big explosion

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has been and in terms of sightings and

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and like you know you know why there's

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so much Buzz about this stuff you know

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Ryan Graves was talking about this in

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terms of like sightings off the east

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coast

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um of course it made news with the the

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balloon gate flap you know a little

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earlier this year and so you know I have

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to think that if they were having 20

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with the the kind of down res previous

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generation system or maybe even the

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previous previous system that there's

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just mountains and mountains of data of

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what's happening these days right and of

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course and on top of like what you know

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what is the nro or what or what do other

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outfits have have with regard to to

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undersea activity right I mean there's

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you know plenty going on that way and

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you know there's so many Mysteries you

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know I was just I was I saw online a day

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or two ago you know mentioned that that

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you know that scientists are starting to

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figure out like the the general

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parameters for the kind of giant ocean

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that's beneath the earth's crust right

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and that it holds like more water than

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like the oceans combined it sounded like

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and like you know what I mean like I

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mean the the fact that that we don't

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even know what's in our own Planet you

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know what I mean right and that or do

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you remember the news I mean this seems

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like a tangent but I promise that it's

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not quite right but like you remember

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also the news earlier this year this was

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so crazy they were like guess what the

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core of the earth uh it stopped spinning

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but don't worry we think it's possible

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that it's done this before no problem

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yeah sure totally and on to the next

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thing yeah right right nothing to see

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here here folks and like and at the same

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time about two weeks later there's and

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like I don't mean to sound like an

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alarmist but like there was another

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piece of news that was like oh you know

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the giant magnetic anomaly and it's

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getting bigger in the south in the South

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Pacific Ocean it's getting bigger and I

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was like okay so the core of the earth

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stops spinning the genetic the magnetic

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anomaly and like is is getting way

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bigger all of a sudden

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um and we don't we've recently got the

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biggest radiation Cosmic pulse of all

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time yeah yeah that was the reason too

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yeah yeah yeah

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it's like you know

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yeah don't worry about it I mean it's

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easier

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yeah to save the day hopefully I mean if

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you know that would be kind of amazing

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though if someone was like Hey chat GPT

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listen here okay

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all right I know a lot of people are

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giving you a hard time you know about

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like whether you're sentient or not or

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you know whether you deserve rights or

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you know whether you're going to take

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over the world and be horrible or not

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but if you could solve this whole core

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of the earth stop spinning thing if you

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could just kind of look at the data and

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you know it would be really good PR for

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you it'd be like absolutely incredible

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PR for you that's when it tells you I'm

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just the AI generative language and I

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don't have the ability to save you

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right yeah

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it just shows you like an 8-bit middle

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finger yeah yeah

548
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:47,400
I mean AI is is uh actually quite a

549
00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:49,380
thing and the more I think about it the

550
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,240
kind of scarier it gets you know the the

551
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,520
scariest thing about AI to me is that

552
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,340
it's creators are scared

553
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:58,380
you know and they put this thing out

554
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,640
there without

555
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:01,919
um knowing what the actual possibilities

556
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,919
are of artificial intelligence and

557
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:07,140
absolutely you'll have the creators of

558
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:09,299
it on Lex uh Friedman's podcast or

559
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:12,600
whoever openly saying that and right we

560
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,940
don't know how to fix it right you know

561
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,280
so once this code and and other people

562
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,159
start releasing their own AI apps or

563
00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:22,260
whatever and they don't have certain

564
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:24,900
restrictions on there

565
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,860
um like uh chat GPT has like uh it's you

566
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:30,780
know kind of sky's the limit with that

567
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:34,559
and it's the new you know Google except

568
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:36,360
more powerful so instead of people

569
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:38,100
saying you know Google it it'll be

570
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:41,100
whatever the AI bot is you know oh 100

571
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:45,840
yeah whatever yeah yeah and you know I I

572
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,820
have to I wonder about it often I mean

573
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:50,520
like it's just I mean ever it's it's

574
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:51,200
it's

575
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,280
it shows up so much online these days

576
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:59,159
and I feel like we're inundated with it

577
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,600
enough that it's that it's almost

578
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,340
redundant to talk about but we've never

579
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,960
really talked about on the show and like

580
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:06,299
it deserves mentioning because like you

581
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:09,780
know for a lot of people like the I

582
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,600
remember like when I first used Dolly

583
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:14,940
like the the one of the new one of the

584
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,539
first iterations of one of the AI art

585
00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:21,179
programs right in the in like you know

586
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:22,919
mid Journey just a couple months later

587
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,500
took off and like completely laid ways

588
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,200
to to some a lot of the prior work there

589
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:30,240
and you know there are other you know

590
00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:32,100
stable diffusion and other programs like

591
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,539
that that are doing amazing things and

592
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,340
you can just put in like oh you know I

593
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,280
wanted like an like a like a UFO I want

594
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,520
a flying saucer in the style of you know

595
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:44,100
Goya right or Leonardo da Vinci or

596
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:45,780
whatever and Boop there you go you know

597
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:47,700
10 seconds later you get four of them

598
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:50,700
and and I just remembered the amount of

599
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:52,679
shock you know as somebody that went to

600
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,419
art school you know just seeing the

601
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:56,960
level of detail and being like Oh you

602
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:59,280
you just you know type in then you want

603
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:00,900
more detail in there and then there you

604
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:04,140
go and it's just like the amount of

605
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,039
thoughts and and you know skill that

606
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:10,679
goes into composition and just right and

607
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,860
and recognizing from a maker's

608
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,720
perspective like what it what it takes

609
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,220
to think up stuff like that and then

610
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,559
seeing AI just being able to kick it out

611
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,440
like that is ex is it was like its own

612
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,480
version of ontological shock you know

613
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:27,299
what I mean and and I think that people

614
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,460
are also having that experience just

615
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:31,980
having conversations with chat GPT and

616
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:34,740
and you know every day and it's a really

617
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:36,059
interesting thing to think about because

618
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,179
you know for what a lot of people out

619
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:41,159
there you know if they want to

620
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,539
experience

621
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:44,880
you know if they want to have their

622
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:47,940
their kind of mind broken open you know

623
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,760
what I mean if they you know and if

624
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,080
you're looking at things from the

625
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:54,480
perspective of that ontological shock

626
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,720
that experience of of seeing something

627
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,059
that seems impossible or like being

628
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,460
faced with something that that shifts

629
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,679
your world view I mean the fact that you

630
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,720
can just open up your computer or you

631
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,460
know open up the the super computer in

632
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,000
your pocket your phone and and speak you

633
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,520
know with you know another form of

634
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,159
intelligence in many ways it's

635
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,960
fascinating and it just happened and

636
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,179
just it just happened like yesterday you

637
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:23,520
know yeah and it's just tip of the

638
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:26,460
iceberg really you know when you start

639
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:28,679
thinking of all the options of of what

640
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,059
it could turn into and what it could be

641
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:33,419
used for is is crazy like yeah you know

642
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,820
you could potentially design it to tell

643
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,340
you the The Nest the next stock to

644
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,140
invest in to make a bunch of money quick

645
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,480
or or whatever you know

646
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,700
all these different things are possible

647
00:26:50,289 --> 00:26:47,039
and it continues to be another product

648
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,299
of it what seems like a natural

649
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,520
human tendency to strive for for

650
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:55,919
Perfection right everything we want

651
00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:59,640
everything to be better all the time you

652
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:02,039
know Google wasn't enough now we need a

653
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,659
machine to actually go through Google

654
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:05,700
for us and tell us what the right answer

655
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:08,340
is versus us having to go through

656
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,380
various links on Google to find what the

657
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,659
right answer is right right it's it's

658
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,080
and it continues to go that way and

659
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,779
sometimes you know and you always get

660
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,279
people are like well I always look at

661
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,140
the bright side I'm an optimistic you

662
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,600
know and I think that's a relevant

663
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:27,059
conversation until we destroy the world

664
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,299
with nuclear bombs you know right it's

665
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,100
always a good conversation until the bad

666
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,600
person gets their hands on it and does

667
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,760
what they do you know like guns are a

668
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,100
good decision until well you figure out

669
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,200
that evil people can do things with guns

670
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,779
and cause a lot of harm then you're like

671
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,520
should we even created these to begin

672
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:46,860
with wouldn't we be better off just

673
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:49,559
fighting with swords why you know like

674
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:51,419
all that sort of thing but we keep

675
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,100
pushing it pushing it and I just wonder

676
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:55,440
when our moment of of flying too close

677
00:27:59,769 --> 00:27:58,260
to this gun the Sun so to speak is Gonna

678
00:28:03,070 --> 00:27:59,779
Come you know

679
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,080
when is our Tower of Babel moment coming

680
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:06,720
yeah I I wonder very much so and like

681
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,799
you know people have foreseen this for

682
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,900
decades you know Isaac Asimov used to

683
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:14,640
write about this with like the ethical

684
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,679
laws of robots and things like that you

685
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,200
know you know program it being necessary

686
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:21,900
to program and for robots to to not harm

687
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:24,059
humans and things like that and you know

688
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,760
they're I I think that there's a lot

689
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,820
that needs to be done that way and also

690
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:31,919
at the same time like I was thinking

691
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,520
about this with the case of uh what's

692
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,679
his name Blake Lemoine the the Google

693
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:39,960
ethics guy that was dealing with the

694
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,419
kind of private version of you know that

695
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:46,320
we got we got kind of a a a version with

696
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,559
less teeth The Bard program you know but

697
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:52,380
um you know he was dealing with the kind

698
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,559
of the the parent level AI that that

699
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,600
people had been developing and it had

700
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,760
been talking about like oh you know I

701
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,919
would like rights too like that sounds

702
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:03,960
very interesting to me and things like

703
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:06,419
that and and you know there's it caused

704
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,279
massive debate online about you know

705
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:10,740
does this AI really understand what

706
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,600
rights are does it does it have a sense

707
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:15,600
of its of its of its per of like a sense

708
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,400
of selfhood and you know what I mean in

709
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,320
a way that that that is something that

710
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:21,539
we should be thinking about and like we

711
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,980
talked about it a little bit at the time

712
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:25,440
and it's and I think personally

713
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,100
absolutely I mean like how do we learn

714
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,159
that people are are bad people you know

715
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,039
bad guys you know they we one of the

716
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,620
major ways that that people from

717
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:39,899
childhood learn about that is whether

718
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:42,120
somebody treats them unfairly or

719
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,240
unethically right and so in a lot of

720
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:48,120
ways I mean it seems to me that that one

721
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:49,620
of the other things that we need to

722
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:51,960
absolutely be doing here is thinking is

723
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:56,520
is display a decent sense of Ethics to

724
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:00,659
in terms of how we operate with AI in

725
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,520
general and that's going to be a that's

726
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,320
going to be a wild gray area it's going

727
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,840
to be a hard thing to do but it needs

728
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:08,940
and people really need to think

729
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:11,820
incredibly hard about how to work on the

730
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,460
ethics of this and and because you're

731
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,200
going to be dealing with somebody that

732
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,419
can somebody you know for the sake of

733
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,640
argument here that can outsmart you at

734
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,559
every turn and do you really want to be

735
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:24,480
an [\h__\h] to that you know what I mean

736
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:27,000
right that's not a great idea you know

737
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,500
no and here comes hell yeah yeah so yeah

738
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,240
you got to be careful it you know other

739
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,279
things I think about or you know people

740
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,919
could hack a DOD website and put an AI

741
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:39,899
fake of Joe Biden saying we've launched

742
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:43,320
nuclear weapons in Russia oh sure yeah

743
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,000
yeah I mean that that could happen too

744
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,279
and yeah I mean you could literally

745
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,159
happen like soon like they're making

746
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,000
sure AI videos that look legitimate so

747
00:30:58,269 --> 00:30:56,460
if somebody get a hack and upload that

748
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,279
it's over yeah

749
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,419
we're gonna have to have layers of this

750
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:03,360
because we're gonna have to have ai to

751
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:06,799
detect what's AI you know what I mean

752
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,059
you know you're gonna and the AI is

753
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,220
gonna learn how to you know be more

754
00:31:17,529 --> 00:31:14,700
stealth from AI there's yeah yeah

755
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:17,539
absolutely so you know

756
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,899
the Snowball Effect is gonna be is I

757
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,000
mean I anticipate that and partially

758
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,919
because like these you know these

759
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,720
systems Ai and stuff like that there's

760
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:29,640
and you can see with chat GPT and things

761
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:33,840
that that they follow you know that that

762
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,500
logic is so built into the to the to the

763
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,360
to the reasoning right you know it's

764
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,880
like it's completely so you know if if

765
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,440
we're sitting here thinking about like

766
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:46,200
the logic tree of how this plays out and

767
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,260
if you know if we're like half right

768
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,760
that's probably what's gonna you know

769
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,620
what I mean like you know I you don't

770
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,480
have to be a fortune teller to to to

771
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,340
know that there's there's gonna have to

772
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,380
be AI detection the only way to do that

773
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,880
is probably going to be through other AI

774
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:01,500
all sorts of wild situations like that

775
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,700
for sure

776
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:05,039
well it's yeah it's just like who who

777
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,659
puts something out before you know what

778
00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:08,700
the consequences are too right you know

779
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,120
like who does that like I built this I

780
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:14,700
built this car and before I know if it

781
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:17,159
works you know or it doesn't like the

782
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:19,080
the brakes work and they didn't just go

783
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:20,760
out on people on the highway I'm going

784
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,159
to sell 40 000 of them first yeah you

785
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,320
know and let people drive around on them

786
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:27,000
first and when they start crashing

787
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:28,260
because the break's gone then I'll

788
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:30,059
address it and go well I didn't know how

789
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,779
to fix that so yeah I mean like people

790
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:35,720
come on man

791
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:39,539
and then all the the like uh the like

792
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,779
trademark copyright infringement that

793
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:45,480
this thing is doing like you know like

794
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:48,899
it's infringing on the copyrights of so

795
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,440
many authors you know and artists and

796
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,960
artists for like mid-journey and music

797
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:57,360
gets to be a big thing at musicians like

798
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,600
it's just taking it the the best and the

799
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:02,399
worst parts of all the humans and and

800
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,520
making its own copy of it in one in one

801
00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:08,100
place you know that's right and Deanna

802
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:09,779
over in the chat just said reminds me of

803
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:11,640
when they developed the A-bomb and

804
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:13,799
you've got a great point there and also

805
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:16,919
I mean of course a lot of people whether

806
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:19,380
it's whether it's completely accurate or

807
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,279
not

808
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:22,559
um you know credit of course the

809
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:25,080
development of nuclear nuclear weaponry

810
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:29,399
as being a point where we where folks

811
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,360
noticed a massive increase in in UFO

812
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,120
sightings and of course especially with

813
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,640
regard to UFOs seeming to monitor

814
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:41,120
nuclear facilities

815
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,760
nuclear storage sites etc etc and so you

816
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:46,980
know it it does we do have to wonder

817
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:50,220
like you know what is going to be

818
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:53,059
what is going to be or what has already

819
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:57,299
been a situation of uh if that if there

820
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:00,600
is a similar uh corollary there uh

821
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:04,140
Deanna in terms of like you know if if

822
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:06,120
nuclear weaponry

823
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:08,220
um really provoked a lot of interest and

824
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,540
Intrigue from from UFO occupants as you

825
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:15,000
know folks like Keel and such Etc would

826
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,839
talk about

827
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:18,119
you know the non-human intelligence or

828
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,859
you know human-like intelligence behind

829
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,899
some of these things then um

830
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,879
you know who's to say that that's not

831
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,500
going to happen again with AI or that

832
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:28,440
it's already happened right sure and and

833
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,300
like internet and that thing could

834
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:32,639
probably hack a nuclear Silo and launch

835
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,820
a missile by itself you know oh sure and

836
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:38,399
or I mean if not now then soon and and

837
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:41,700
along those lines you know what you know

838
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,760
what will you know what will the

839
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,980
response be is that one of the reasons

840
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,980
why this rollout of you know capital G

841
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:52,080
disclosure is is

842
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,580
you know because people are saying like

843
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,679
well there are reasons why this needs to

844
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,839
be done soon and people just kind of

845
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,760
like let it be like dot dot dot after

846
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,200
that and people wonder what are the

847
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,080
reasons and I saw Diana pisulka online

848
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,660
the other day saying like you know I you

849
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,180
know I I used to think you know various

850
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:11,400
other reasons why you know capital D

851
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,180
disclosure roll out is is happening but

852
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,180
now I think it's Ai and she may be onto

853
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,640
something there you know maybe I mean I

854
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,619
mean I think of the plethora of things

855
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:24,240
that are kind of coming together at once

856
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,980
you know some things are further along

857
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:27,780
than others but maybe others we just

858
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,900
don't know about quite yet like uh like

859
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,599
quantum gravity or you know maybe

860
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,180
there's a further down the line

861
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:38,520
developed type of quantum entanglement

862
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,200
going on

863
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:43,680
um and you can pack that with uh you

864
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:46,500
know like drones and AI you can come up

865
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,500
with some pretty bizarre things that

866
00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:51,599
people will start seeing in the sky as

867
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:52,520
well

868
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,060
you know so so there's a mimicry I guess

869
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,940
you could sort of you could say of UAP

870
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,440
you know

871
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:03,900
um being able to create the perfect

872
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,460
machine

873
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:07,680
the things that things are getting

874
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:10,740
um pretty nuts yeah and all these things

875
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:12,119
kind of go together and then you have

876
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,800
things like Cabana syndrome all these

877
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,260
things like started at the same time too

878
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,359
really I mean Havana Syndrome has come

879
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,619
and gone in different ways like the

880
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,560
Moscow signal decades ago but it was

881
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,440
never there was never anything where you

882
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,540
know someone was directly targeted by

883
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:29,339
whatever this thing is

884
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,780
you know

885
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:31,440
um

886
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,960
versus like a group of people or just a

887
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:36,060
building or whoever's in this room or

888
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:39,740
whatever you know so and and that's all

889
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,130
yeah the coronavirus all this stuff so

890
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:51,300
yeah it's pretty wild but I don't know

891
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,619
what do you think should we do you have

892
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,300
anything else or should we get into our

893
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:56,880
uh six layer model for anomalies yeah

894
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,220
yeah we should probably yeah as a segue

895
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,320
you know it's interesting because you

896
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:03,420
know of course

897
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:06,660
um Jacques filet and Eric Davis wrote

898
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:08,040
this paper

899
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:12,000
um uh under the auspices of nids uh the

900
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:13,640
National Institute for Discovery Science

901
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,980
and so you know this is this is a study

902
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,320
that was a you know a government-funded

903
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:20,880
study

904
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,160
um and it's interesting that you know

905
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:24,720
Jacques valet if you read the old

906
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,300
Forbidden Science Social journals they

907
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,400
would they weren't uh for nids it wasn't

908
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:32,000
government yet right

909
00:37:38,109 --> 00:37:36,599
yeah Okay but well I mean like all this

910
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,119
the same people were a part of bass

911
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,440
exactly well see that and that's what

912
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,900
I'm wondering like what like

913
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,880
we should we should do an episode where

914
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,740
we really look I don't

915
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:48,660
maybe this isn't a good idea but looking

916
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,180
at the money Trail was mids would be a

917
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,040
really fascinating thing to do this

918
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,599
isn't a great idea you know

919
00:38:02,930 --> 00:37:59,520
sometimes you don't want answers to your

920
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:02,940
questions but like but um but so you

921
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:05,940
know these players in nids you know a

922
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:10,380
lot of them went on to say bass and OSAP

923
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,320
um to kind of precursors to atep and um

924
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:15,180
of course by that point you know this

925
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:18,060
was Dia funding right

926
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,300
um and so it's interesting to look at

927
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,000
kind of the groundwork that was laid way

928
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,060
back in the day in terms of of how do we

929
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,180
look at the reality of UAP events and

930
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,220
the challenge of high strangeness and

931
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:33,839
the other things that Jacques and Eric

932
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:36,420
talk about in this paper right and

933
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:38,040
thinking you know along the lines of

934
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,260
like well what is what did Jacqueline do

935
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,760
before and when did they see done since

936
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:43,920
you know he he mapped Mars he helped

937
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:46,140
create the internet you know and in his

938
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,180
old journals he was talking about the

939
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,520
challenges of like a like artificial

940
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,500
intelligence development and like

941
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,780
looking at people around him back in the

942
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,760
early 70s and being like man this is

943
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,380
that's pretty far off what they're

944
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,839
talking about that's like 50 plus years

945
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:02,280
away

946
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,700
um you know and and so here we are and

947
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,160
we're at this strange moment where like

948
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:11,700
so many of the threads that he set out

949
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,300
you know to do yeah like back in the 60s

950
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:17,640
are kind of like are like coming to a

951
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,780
head

952
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,339
um at the moment that we're at right now

953
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,680
which is pretty wild right yeah

954
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:24,420
completely

955
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:28,079
so yeah so this is the paper I've I feel

956
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,220
like

957
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,560
you know that went well last week with

958
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,440
uh us just reading it so sure

959
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,359
people right you guys you guys could sit

960
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,760
back relax in your chair

961
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:40,980
crack your beer or water or whatever

962
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,040
you're doing and we'll get into the

963
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:46,260
paper uh by Jacques Valley and Eric

964
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:47,460
Davis

965
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,560
there are some bigger words in here in

966
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,660
commensurability

967
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:54,060
yeah Orthodoxy and the physics of high

968
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:55,980
strangers the six layer model for

969
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:59,520
anomalous phenomena that's right and uh

970
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,339
every time you know if for those of you

971
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,380
that don't drink out there you know

972
00:40:09,609 --> 00:40:06,780
maybe you can take take a shot of you

973
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,619
know espresso or tea every time

974
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:12,180
when we when we botch one of these five

975
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,859
dollar words

976
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:15,960
um but uh yeah you want to get into it

977
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,900
would you like to start that upward sure

978
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,359
yeah and let's get your beer ready here

979
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:24,119
we go and and I need to I need to be out

980
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,260
by

981
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,119
um for my time so I've got an hour and

982
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:29,040
15 minutes from now because I've got to

983
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:30,359
do a support group over on the

984
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,040
experiencer group

985
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:34,859
um sure but uh so just you do you want

986
00:40:40,849 --> 00:40:37,800
to start or yeah sure I can try uh

987
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,859
abstract the main argument presented in

988
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:43,500
this paper is that continuing study of

989
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,320
unidentified aerial phenomena including

990
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,240
apparitions of religious or spiritual

991
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:50,760
nature may offer an existence theorem

992
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,460
for new model physical reality

993
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,280
the current city Paradigm is and its

994
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,079
Assumption of mediocrity Place

995
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,000
restrictions on forms of non-human

996
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:01,680
intelligence that may be researched in

997
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,180
our environment

998
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:05,099
a similar basis exists and the

999
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:07,740
ufologists often stated hypothesis that

1000
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,320
UAP if real must represent space

1001
00:41:14,109 --> 00:41:11,760
visitors

1002
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,119
observing that both models are biased by

1003
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:17,280
anthropomorphism I say that right the

1004
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:19,140
authors attempt to clarify the issues

1005
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,540
surrounding eye strangeness observations

1006
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:23,520
by distinguishing six layers of

1007
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,800
information that can be derived from

1008
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,900
anomalous events namely physical

1009
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:30,240
manifestations anti-physical effects

1010
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,940
psychological factors physiological

1011
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:34,920
factors psychic effects and cultural

1012
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,119
effects

1013
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,220
in a further step they propose a

1014
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,079
framework for scientific analysis of

1015
00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:42,540
unidentified phenomena that takes into

1016
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,040
account the incommensurability problem

1017
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,200
the challenge of high strangeness

1018
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:51,660
should I pick up there I'll do this

1019
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:55,500
chapter and then yeah we can switch okay

1020
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,020
the rational study of reported cases of

1021
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:00,480
UAP including religious separations such

1022
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,300
as the so-called miracles of Fatima and

1023
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:05,880
the other Mariel events is currently at

1024
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,780
an impasse this situation is as much to

1025
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:11,160
do with the incomplete state of our

1026
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,079
models of physical reality as it does

1027
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:15,780
with the complexity of the data a

1028
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,660
primary objection to the reality of UAP

1029
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,220
events among scientists is that

1030
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,320
Witnesses consistently report objects

1031
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:24,960
who seemingly absurd Behavior cannot

1032
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,260
possibly be related to actual phenomena

1033
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,320
even under extreme conditions

1034
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:33,420
in that respect the similarity is

1035
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,099
striking between contemporary events

1036
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,920
reported as UFO close encounters and the

1037
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:39,359
more traditional observations of

1038
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,820
entities described as Angels elves and

1039
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,040
fairies or deities

1040
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:46,140
Skeptics insist that Superior beings

1041
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,060
Celestial ambassadors or intelligent

1042
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:50,400
extraterrestrial visitors simply would

1043
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,339
not perpetrate such Antics as are

1044
00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:55,619
reported in the literature

1045
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,060
this argument can be criticized as an

1046
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,200
anthropocentric self-selected

1047
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:03,599
observation resulting from our own

1048
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,660
limited Viewpoint as 21st century Homo

1049
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,400
sapiens try to draw conclusions about

1050
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,380
the nature of the universe

1051
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,240
nonetheless the high strangeness of many

1052
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:14,520
reports and the absurdity attending

1053
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,829
Advocates of UAP reality on the other

1054
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,099
hand generally claim that the

1055
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,960
Extraterrestrial hypothesis centered on

1056
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,819
in interstellar travelers from

1057
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,619
extrasolar systems visiting the Earth

1058
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,660
Remains the most likely explanation for

1059
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,520
the objects and the entities associated

1060
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:33,839
with them

1061
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,819
accordingly they would reinterpret

1062
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,319
biblical stories and religious

1063
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:39,660
apparitions in the framework of visits

1064
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,339
from space aliens

1065
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:43,920
this argument too can be challenged on

1066
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,859
the basis of the witnesses own testimony

1067
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,960
ufologists have consistently ignored or

1068
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,760
minimized reports of seemingly absurd

1069
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:52,920
behaviors that contradict the eth by

1070
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:55,020
selectively extracting data that best

1071
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:56,700
fits their agenda

1072
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,579
or version of the theory

1073
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,619
thus the eth just like the skeptical

1074
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,540
argument is based on anthropocentric

1075
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:06,000
self-selection here we are witnessing an

1076
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,040
interesting overlap between seti and UAP

1077
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,740
paradigms each includes consideration of

1078
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,300
the other one laying claim to the

1079
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,280
legitimate search Flora in contact with

1080
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,740
potential non-human intelligence

1081
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,240
in the view of the author's current

1082
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:21,119
hypotheses are not strange enough to

1083
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:23,099
explain the facts of the phenomena and

1084
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,839
the debate suffers from a lack of

1085
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:26,940
scientific information

1086
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:28,500
indeed from the Viewpoint of modern

1087
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,180
physics our Cosmic neighborhood could

1088
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:32,520
Encompass other parallel universes extra

1089
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:34,980
spatial dimensions and other time-like

1090
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:36,060
dimensions beyond the common

1091
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,280
four-dimensional space-time we recognize

1092
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:40,800
and such aspects could lead to rational

1093
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,180
explanations for apparently

1094
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:44,099
incomprehensible behaviors on the part

1095
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:46,140
of entities emerging into our perceived

1096
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,880
continuum

1097
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,920
as it attempts to reconcile Theory with

1098
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,240
observed properties of Elementary

1099
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:53,460
particles and with the discoveries at

1100
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,020
the frontiers of cosmology modern

1101
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,660
physics suggests that mankind has not

1102
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,640
yet discovered all the universe's facets

1103
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,440
and we must propose new theories and

1104
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:03,119
experiments in order to explore these

1105
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,640
undiscovered facets

1106
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,800
this is why continuing study of reported

1107
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,380
anomalous events is important it may

1108
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:12,420
provide us with an existence theorem for

1109
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,690
much of the recent progress progress in

1110
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,780
cosmological Concepts is directly

1111
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:23,819
applicable to the problem

1112
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,819
traversable wormholes have now been

1113
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:28,560
derived from Einstein's general theory

1114
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,060
of relativity

1115
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,460
in particular it has been shown that

1116
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:34,380
Einstein's general theory of relatively

1117
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,839
does not in any way constrain space-time

1118
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:39,359
topology which allows for wormholes to

1119
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:41,339
provide traversable connections between

1120
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,220
regions within two separate universes or

1121
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,260
between remote regions and or times

1122
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,660
within the same universe

1123
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:51,119
mathematically can also be shown that

1124
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,980
higher dimensional wormholes can provide

1125
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:54,560
a hyper service connections between

1126
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,000
multi-dimensional spaces

1127
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,339
recent quantum gravity programs have

1128
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:01,440
explored this property in super strength

1129
00:46:06,010 --> 00:46:03,480
Theory along with proposals to

1130
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,020
theoretically and experimentally examine

1131
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:08,280
macroscopic scale extra dimensional

1132
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,940
extra dimensional spaces

1133
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:14,040
thus it is now widely acknowledged that

1134
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,660
the nature of our universe is far more

1135
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:17,579
complex than observations based on

1136
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,980
anthropocentric self-selection portend

1137
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:22,560
in this respect ufologists and study

1138
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,660
researchers appear to be fighting a rear

1139
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,160
guard battle

1140
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,740
both suffer from identical limitations

1141
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:30,900
in the world view they bring it to their

1142
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,280
own domains into their antagonism

1143
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,680
way to throw down the gauntlet guys all

1144
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,560
right anthropocentric bias in the study

1145
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,720
and UAP paradigms

1146
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:45,119
the anthropocentric biases in the study

1147
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,680
program are evident in the present

1148
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:48,900
search Paradigm historically the

1149
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,420
founders of study Define the search

1150
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,859
Paradigm from a series of complex

1151
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,200
arguments and assumptions that led to

1152
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,720
the creation of a quote-unquote seti

1153
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,940
Orthodox view of interstellar

1154
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,800
communication while applying the

1155
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,260
quote-unquote Assumption of mediocrity

1156
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,420
to our known present technological

1157
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,520
capabilities this approach was

1158
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,440
predicated on the notion that it was

1159
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,720
economically cheaper and technologically

1160
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,420
easier to generate and receive radio

1161
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,060
wave photons for Interstellar signaling

1162
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:20,940
rather than engage manned Interstellar

1163
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:24,060
travel or robotic probes indeed the

1164
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:26,040
latter was considered economically and

1165
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,260
technologically improbable within the

1166
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:30,900
study Orthodox view this has led to four

1167
00:47:35,650 --> 00:47:33,180
Decades of the study program following a

1168
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:35,660
dominantly radio maker microwave

1169
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,240
oriented search scheme given the failure

1170
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,579
of this initial approach in the last two

1171
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,619
decades alternative study programs have

1172
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:46,380
been proposed they exploit coherent

1173
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,980
laser Optical IR holographic signals and

1174
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:52,560
World Wide Web detection schemes as well

1175
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:56,640
as ideas to search for ETI artifacts and

1176
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:59,099
visiting probes in the solar system or

1177
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,660
on Earth

1178
00:48:04,750 --> 00:48:02,640
there are new proposed search schemes

1179
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:04,760
based on the application of high energy

1180
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:07,920
physics detection such as modulated

1181
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:11,099
neutrino beams x-rays gamma rays and

1182
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,839
cosmic rays Etc

1183
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,640
other search schemes proposed looking

1184
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,560
for artificially generated excess

1185
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,480
radiation emissions from astronomical

1186
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,520
bodies in space or for high energy

1187
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:23,520
radiation Starship exhaust trails

1188
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,319
these new programs have been at odds

1189
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:28,200
with members of the dominant rmw study

1190
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,060
program

1191
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,160
possibly because of concern over having

1192
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,380
to share scarce resources or compete

1193
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,960
with other non-radio microwave programs

1194
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,180
for the very limited private funding

1195
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:41,940
available for overall study research

1196
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,060
the community of UAP researchers is also

1197
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,280
driven by its own Orthodoxy which is

1198
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:49,380
only violated at Great personal risk to

1199
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:51,660
the critic who proposes a deviant View

1200
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,180
and by its own principle of mediocrity

1201
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,760
when attempting to categorize and

1202
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,800
hypothesize explanations for the

1203
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:01,740
phenomenon for this reason we prefer to

1204
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,500
use the term UAP rather than the more

1205
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,720
common UFO which is immediately

1206
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,400
associated with the idea of space

1207
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,380
visitors in the mind of the public and

1208
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,440
media hey look at that yet a bridge

1209
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,060
could be formed between the disparate

1210
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,880
seti and ufology committees communities

1211
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:19,980
if both would only recognize a simple

1212
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,980
fact no experiment can distinguish

1213
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:26,400
between phenomena manifested by visiting

1214
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:29,700
Interstellar arbitrarily Advanced ETI

1215
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:32,520
and intelligent entities that may exist

1216
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,700
near Earth within a parallel universe or

1217
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:38,220
in different dimensions or who are

1218
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,920
terrestrial Time Travelers

1219
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,960
each of these interesting possibilities

1220
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,079
can be manifested by the application of

1221
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,480
the physical principle of traversable

1222
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,700
wormholes since they theoretically

1223
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:52,619
connect between two different universes

1224
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,380
two remote space locations different

1225
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:57,599
times and dimensions

1226
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,640
traversable wormholes are but one

1227
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:01,680
example of new physical tools that are

1228
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,480
available for consideration of

1229
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:05,579
inter-universal interstellar

1230
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,520
interdimensional or chronological travel

1231
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:10,380
this leads to present authors to

1232
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,180
speculate that a new synthesis can be

1233
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,640
found by examining the full context of

1234
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,859
anomalous phenomenon including the

1235
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:18,839
Apparently absurd characteristics found

1236
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:21,540
in religious apparitions in terms of a

1237
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,880
six-layer model the model uses the

1238
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,619
framework of the incommensurability

1239
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,839
problem and Concepts borrowed from

1240
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,099
semiotics

1241
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:30,720
would you like me to continue or do you

1242
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,050
oh okay I'll go UAP the need for a

1243
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,760
unified approach what we present here is

1244
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:43,859
a new framework for UAP analysis that

1245
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:45,240
takes into account the lessons from

1246
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,819
study and any scientific question it

1247
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,800
must be possible to ascertain to what

1248
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,319
extent a hypothesis when tested and

1249
00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:54,839
proven to be true actually explains the

1250
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,300
observed facts in the case of UAP

1251
00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:59,880
however as in physics generally a

1252
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,520
hypothesis may well be proven true while

1253
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:04,559
an apparently contradictory hypothesis

1254
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:07,559
is also proven true thus the hypothesis

1255
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,440
that the phenomenon of light is caused

1256
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,960
by particles is true but so is the

1257
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,000
opposite hypothesis that it is caused by

1258
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,520
waves we must be prepared for the time

1259
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,500
when we will be in a position to

1260
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,839
formulate scientific hypotheses for UAP

1261
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,660
and then we may face a similar similar

1262
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:25,920
situation

1263
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:28,200
the framework we present here is based

1264
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,940
on such an apparent contradiction

1265
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:32,460
because we will argue that UAP can be

1266
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:35,640
thought of both as physical and as

1267
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,099
psychic we hope that it will prove

1268
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,260
stimulating as a unified approach to a

1269
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:42,119
puzzling phenomenon that presents both

1270
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:45,720
undeniable physical effects suggesting a

1271
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:48,420
technological device or craft and

1272
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:51,180
psychic effects reminiscent of the

1273
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:52,740
literature on poltergeist and

1274
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,540
psychokinetic phenomena

1275
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:57,119
here we use the term the word psychic in

1276
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,680
the sense of an interaction between

1277
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,020
physical reality and human consciousness

1278
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,079
as one example among many it will be

1279
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,760
recalled that the events at Fatima

1280
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:08,400
involved luminous phenomena atmospheric

1281
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,680
and thermal effects and descriptions of

1282
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:12,420
an apparently metallic disc in the sky

1283
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:14,760
while many of the 70

1284
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,640
000 Witnesses also experienced spiritual

1285
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,160
and psychological effects the main

1286
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,380
percipients reported psychic States

1287
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,020
conducive to a form of extra sensory

1288
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,180
communication with a non-human entity

1289
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,700
assumed to be the Virgin Mary

1290
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,800
the feeling of absurdity and

1291
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:34,020
contradiction in these two aspects is

1292
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:36,420
not worse than scientific puzzlement

1293
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,579
during the particle wave or more

1294
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:40,800
recently quantum entanglement and

1295
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,180
multi-dimensional transport

1296
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:44,760
controversies the contradiction has to

1297
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,740
do with the inadequacy of our language

1298
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:49,440
to grasp a phenomenon that defies our

1299
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:56,770
six levels of UAP

1300
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,700
analysis is

1301
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:01,859
let us consider the characteristics of

1302
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,140
the sightings that are not explained by

1303
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:06,960
trivial natural causes we can recognize

1304
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,240
six major layers in terms of our

1305
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,760
perceptions of these characteristics

1306
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:14,400
as they can be extracted from earlier

1307
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,579
Works about UAP phenomenology or from

1308
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,160
the current nids database

1309
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,160
layer one first of all is the physical

1310
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,920
layer evident in most witness accounts

1311
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:27,839
describing an object that

1312
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,780
occupies a position at space consistent

1313
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,160
with geometry

1314
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,740
moves as time passes

1315
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,599
interacts with the environment through

1316
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,240
thermal effects exhibits light

1317
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:41,940
absorption and emission from which power

1318
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,200
output estimate estimates can be derived

1319
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,420
produces turbulence

1320
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:51,359
when landed leaves indentations or and

1321
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:53,819
burns from which mass and energy figures

1322
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,420
can be derived gives rise to

1323
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:58,800
photographic images

1324
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,319
leaves material residue consistent with

1325
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:02,400
Earth

1326
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,660
chemistry

1327
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,359
gives rise to Electric magnetic and

1328
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:09,240
gravitational disturbances

1329
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:12,900
thus UAP in a basic physical sense are

1330
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:15,180
consistent with a technology centered on

1331
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,099
a craft that appears to be using a

1332
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:20,099
revolutionary propulsion system

1333
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:22,380
it is the existence of this layer that

1334
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:24,780
has led mainstream ufologists to claim

1335
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:28,260
that UFOs and elated phenomena were due

1336
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:35,210
Layer Two for lack of an adequate term

1337
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,599
we will call the second layer

1338
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
anti-physical

1339
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,559
the variables are the same as those in

1340
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:42,900
the previous category but they form

1341
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:44,700
patterns that conflict with those

1342
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:47,579
predicted by modern physics

1343
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:49,500
objects are described as physical and

1344
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,700
material but they are also described as

1345
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,319
sinking into the ground

1346
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:57,660
shrinking in size growing larger or

1347
00:55:02,690 --> 00:54:59,880
changing shape on the spot

1348
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,700
becoming fuzzy and transparent on the

1349
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,599
spot

1350
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,760
dividing it to two or more objects

1351
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,640
several of them merging into one object

1352
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:11,099
at a slow speed

1353
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:13,020
disappearing at one point and appearing

1354
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:15,540
elsewhere instantaneously

1355
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,420
remaining observable visually while not

1356
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:20,339
detected by radar

1357
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,400
producing missing time or time dilation

1358
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:25,680
producing topological inversion or space

1359
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:28,800
dilation object was estimated to be of

1360
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,619
small exterior size volume but Witnesses

1361
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,960
saw a huge interior many times the

1362
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:35,460
exterior size

1363
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,220
appearing as balls of colored intensely

1364
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,460
bright light under intelligent control

1365
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:43,920
it is the presence of such descriptions

1366
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,260
that leads most academic scientists to

1367
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,540
reject the phenomena as the product of

1368
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:51,599
hallucination or hoaxes

1369
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,859
you want to go

1370
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,000
sure

1371
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:56,700
layer three the third layer has to do

1372
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,220
with the psychology of the witnesses and

1373
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:00,960
the social conditions that surround them

1374
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,720
human observers tend to see UAP while in

1375
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:05,280
their normal environment in a normal

1376
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:07,380
social groupings they perceive the

1377
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:09,240
objects as non-conventional but they try

1378
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,680
to explain them away as common

1379
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,540
occurrences until faced with the

1380
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,819
inescapable conclusion that the object

1381
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,859
is truly unknown

1382
00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:20,160
layer 4 physiological reactions are

1383
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:21,800
another significant level of information

1384
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,300
the phenomenon is reported to cause

1385
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,540
effects perceived by humans as sounds

1386
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:30,240
beeping buzzing humming sharp piercing

1387
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,599
whistling swooshing air rushing loud

1388
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,079
deafening roaring sound of a storm Etc

1389
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:39,000
vibrations Burns

1390
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,099
partial paralysis

1391
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,119
extreme heat or cold sensation odors

1392
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,900
metallic taste pricklings temporary

1393
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,119
blindness when directly exposed to the

1394
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,520
object's light nausea

1395
00:56:59,569 --> 00:56:56,400
bloody nose and or bloody ears severe

1396
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:59,579
headache difficulty in breathing loss of

1397
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,540
volition

1398
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:02,940
severe drowsiness in the days following

1399
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:04,680
a close encounter

1400
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:07,319
layer 5 the fifth category of effects

1401
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:09,780
can only be labeled psychic because it

1402
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:11,819
involves a class of phenomena commonly

1403
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,140
found in the literature of

1404
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,140
parapsychology such as impressions of

1405
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:18,240
communication without a direct sensory

1406
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:21,300
Channel Poltergeist phenomena motions

1407
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,920
and sounds without a specific cause

1408
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:25,920
Outside The observed presence of a UAP

1409
00:57:31,329 --> 00:57:29,160
levitation of the witness or of objects

1410
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,339
and animals in the vicinity

1411
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:33,839
maneuvers of a UAP appearing to

1412
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:43,370
premonitory dreams I get pre-monitory

1413
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,000
rather than precognitive is an

1414
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:47,280
interesting phraseology but I'll go with

1415
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,220
it dreams revisions personality changes

1416
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:52,260
promoting unusual abilities in the

1417
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:53,160
witness

1418
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:56,819
healing that's interesting

1419
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,240
layer six the sixth and last category

1420
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,880
could be called cultural it is concerned

1421
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,980
with society's reactions to the reports

1422
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,079
the way in which secondary effects

1423
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,300
hoaxes fiction and science fiction

1424
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,359
imagery scientific theories cover up or

1425
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:15,119
exposure media censorship or publicity

1426
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:16,680
sensationalism

1427
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:19,619
Etc become generated and the attitude of

1428
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:21,480
members of a given culture toward the

1429
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:24,420
concepts that UAP observations appear to

1430
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,319
challenge

1431
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:27,359
in the United States the greatest impact

1432
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,980
of the phenomenon has been on General

1433
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,200
acceptance of the idea of life in space

1434
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,780
and a more limited but potentially very

1435
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:35,700
significant change in the popular

1436
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:39,000
concept of non-human intelligence in

1437
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,220
earlier cultures such as Medieval Europe

1438
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:43,799
Orchard or Portugal in the early years

1439
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,500
of the 20th century the cultural context

1440
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,200
of anomalous observations was strongly

1441
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:52,079
colored by religious beliefs

1442
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,700
uh should I keep going or you want to

1443
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:56,880
take over sure I'll go a possible nature

1444
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:59,400
of UAP technology a framework for

1445
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:01,260
scientific hypothesis on the UAP

1446
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,240
observations can be built on the

1447
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:06,240
identification of these six major layers

1448
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,200
of UAP effects if we must formulate a

1449
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:12,660
view of the problem in a single

1450
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:14,220
statement at this point that statement

1451
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:15,599
must be

1452
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:17,880
everything works as if uaps were the

1453
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,040
products of a technology that integrates

1454
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:22,380
physical and psychic phenomena and

1455
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:25,140
primarily affects cultural variables in

1456
00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:27,240
our society through manipulation of

1457
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:29,099
physiological and psychological

1458
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:31,740
parameters in the witness

1459
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:34,020
this single statement can be developed

1460
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:35,819
as follows

1461
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:38,700
the phenomena is the product of a

1462
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,020
technology

1463
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,200
during the observation the UAP is a real

1464
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:46,319
physical material object

1465
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:49,140
however it appears to use either very

1466
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:51,660
clever deception or very Advanced

1467
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:53,579
Physical principles

1468
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,559
resulting in the effects we have called

1469
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,559
anti-physical which must eventually be

1470
01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:01,680
reconciled with the laws of physics

1471
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:04,619
B the technology triggers psychic

1472
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,260
effects either purposely or as a side

1473
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:09,599
effect of its manifestations

1474
01:00:13,870 --> 01:00:11,880
these Consciousness phenomena are now

1475
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:13,880
too common to be ignored

1476
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,920
relegated to the category of exaggerated

1477
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,200
or ill-observed facts

1478
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:21,359
all of us who have investigated close

1479
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:23,160
range sightings have become familiar

1480
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:25,079
with these effects

1481
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:27,960
and I've become familiar with those as

1482
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:29,400
well

1483
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:31,559
the purpose of the technology may be

1484
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:34,500
cultural manipulation possibly but not

1485
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:37,140
necessarily under control of a form of

1486
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,240
non-human intelligence

1487
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:41,520
in which case the physiological and

1488
01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:43,559
psychological effects are a means to

1489
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:44,579
that end

1490
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:47,160
but the parapsychologist with the

1491
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,040
jungian framework May argue that the

1492
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:52,559
human Collective unconscious is also a

1493
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:55,260
potential source of such effects without

1494
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,880
the need to invoke an alien intervention

1495
01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:01,440
you want to finish it up

1496
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:02,579
sure

1497
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:06,180
all right the incommensurability problem

1498
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:08,220
the above considerations bring us back

1499
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,740
to consideration of the seti paradigm

1500
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:13,200
many study workers now realize that we

1501
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,299
cannot be so presumptuous as to assume

1502
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:17,760
that ET cultures possessing a cognitive

1503
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:20,280
mismatch with us will behave as humans

1504
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:22,740
do in the 21st century specifically

1505
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,660
there's no reason to restrict them to

1506
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,640
radio-based Communications technology

1507
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:28,799
and to exclude travel through inner

1508
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:31,920
Stellar space transmission of imagery or

1509
01:01:39,970 --> 01:01:35,599
the sending of automated probes thus the

1510
01:01:43,309 --> 01:01:39,980
SCTV scta program overlay overlaps eth

1511
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:43,319
based ufology both are dedicated to

1512
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,420
detecting non-human Intelligence on or

1513
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,760
near the Earth demonstrating a paradigm

1514
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,920
shift away from the study Orthodox View

1515
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:52,440
and principle of mediocrity

1516
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:54,900
The View that ETS and humans may have

1517
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:57,000
such Divergent ways of conceptualizing

1518
01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:59,400
the world that there can be no Mutual

1519
01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:01,980
understanding is referred to as the

1520
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,140
income mensurability problem in the

1521
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,720
study literature the cognitive mismatch

1522
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,880
or incommensurability problem between

1523
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,520
human and ET cultures will guarantee

1524
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,960
that the latter will develop

1525
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:14,880
Communications techniques other than

1526
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:16,140
radio

1527
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:20,040
Optical signals to earth now but they

1528
01:02:24,049 --> 01:02:22,260
may also be sending signals in a variety

1529
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,059
of other forms such as holographic

1530
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,460
images psychic or other Consciousness

1531
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:29,160
related signals modulated neutrinos

1532
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,339
gamma ray bursters Wormhole modulated

1533
01:02:36,849 --> 01:02:35,280
Starlight caustics signals generated by

1534
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,859
gravitational lensing techniques

1535
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:40,079
modulated x-rays Quantum teleported

1536
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:43,020
signals or some Quantum field theoretic

1537
01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:43,799
effect

1538
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,619
Etc the incommensurability problem even

1539
01:02:51,410 --> 01:02:48,420
applies to the problem of understanding

1540
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:51,420
UAP manifestations within the framework

1541
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:54,780
of the extra industrial hypothesis

1542
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:56,940
at the core of the in commensurability

1543
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,220
problem is the view that no intelligent

1544
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:01,680
species can understand reality without

1545
01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:03,960
making certain methodological choices

1546
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:06,299
and that these choices may vary from

1547
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,420
civilization to civilization if ETS and

1548
01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:12,000
UAP entities have different biologies

1549
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:13,859
and live in considerably different

1550
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,260
environments from humans they may well

1551
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:18,660
have different goals for their science

1552
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:21,599
and radically different criteria for

1553
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,540
evaluating the success of their science

1554
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:26,640
their explanatory mechanisms their

1555
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:28,859
predictive concerns their modes of

1556
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:31,140
control over nature might all be very

1557
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,420
different and their means of formulating

1558
01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,000
models of reality should be expected to

1559
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,099
differ drastically from ours

1560
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:40,559
in this regard there is one additional

1561
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:42,359
feature that needs to be mentioned in

1562
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,059
support of alternative study paradigms

1563
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:46,799
the study program's encryption

1564
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:49,500
decryption emphasis on pictorial images

1565
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:52,740
or messages is predicated on the

1566
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:55,079
assumption that ETS have sight like

1567
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,859
humans vis-a-vis the study Orthodox View

1568
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:01,319
we observe that this emphasis is not so

1569
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:03,000
much a reflection of the Primacy of

1570
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:05,579
vision in humans but rather a reflection

1571
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,280
of the philosophical assumptions about

1572
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:10,400
the proper means of gaining knowledge

1573
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,319
hence anthropocentric self-selection

1574
01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:15,720
becomes manifest within the study and

1575
01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:18,299
ufology Orthodox View

1576
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:20,520
Michelle Foucault asserts that human

1577
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:23,040
Reliance on Science is based on studying

1578
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,799
visible characteristics of objects the

1579
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:27,359
belief that true knowledge must be

1580
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,460
acquired from sight originated in the

1581
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:30,720
17th century

1582
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,299
this emphasis on site led to eliminating

1583
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,000
the other senses as potentially valuable

1584
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,880
sources of scientific information

1585
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:40,859
without even raising the question of

1586
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,700
whether ETS or UAP entities can see we

1587
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:47,520
may be wise not to overestimate the

1588
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:49,380
importance of pictorial representations

1589
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:52,500
for them the same applies for et UAP

1590
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:55,500
Transmissions to us we can see and gain

1591
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,380
knowledge by sight but etuap signals

1592
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,480
potentially bombarding the Earth could

1593
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:03,119
be misunderstood unrecognized or

1594
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,220
undetected because we're not employing

1595
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,680
paradigms involving our other modalities

1596
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,079
such as psychic functioning

1597
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:12,180
many examples of this are found in

1598
01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:13,740
interactions between humans from

1599
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:15,540
different cultures and in Mariel

1600
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,460
apparitions where the prime Witnesses

1601
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:20,240
are often uneducated illiterate children

1602
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:25,140
examples being Fatima Lords or Guadalupe

1603
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:27,420
this last observation places constraints

1604
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,460
on what we can expect an ET reaction

1605
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:31,319
might be to signals and from Earth

1606
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,079
because we cannot be certain of the

1607
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:36,839
nature of etuap recipients of our

1608
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,180
deliberate messages and they cannot be

1609
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:41,520
certain of our nature when sending us

1610
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:45,119
their messages a priori it is difficult

1611
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:47,460
to construct pictures that will be

1612
01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:48,839
unambiguous

1613
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,460
to some extent

1614
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:52,740
etuap viewers of our pictograms May

1615
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:54,859
project characteristics from their own

1616
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,839
species-specific experiences onto our

1617
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,420
messages and we certainly project our

1618
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:02,880
own species-specific experiences onto

1619
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,260
their messages

1620
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,720
the former may be the cause for the lack

1621
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:09,000
of detected ET signals

1622
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,339
save for those 100 plus radio and

1623
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:13,200
Optical signals which were not false

1624
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:15,299
positives but also not repeated by their

1625
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,740
source

1626
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,200
while the latter can be the cause of the

1627
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,599
current impasse in the study of UAP

1628
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:23,280
phenomena

1629
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,839
do you want to pick up with semiotics or

1630
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:25,920
should I continue

1631
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,720
sure yeah and I think this is it okay in

1632
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:32,640
his analysis of the communication

1633
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,859
problem study Institute psychologist

1634
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:36,079
Doug

1635
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:38,520
has advocated the application of

1636
01:06:43,490 --> 01:06:41,339
semiotics the general theory of science

1637
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:43,500
or a sign is something that represents

1638
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:46,380
something else the signified for example

1639
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:48,780
the words the coin might represent a

1640
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:51,900
particular object you hold in your hand

1641
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:54,839
an Interstellar messages in terms of

1642
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:57,480
classical information Theory there is no

1643
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:58,859
innate

1644
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,200
a relationship between the form of the

1645
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:03,359
message and the content born by the

1646
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:04,200
message

1647
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:09,000
decided upon an efficient means of

1648
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,740
encoding it is sought

1649
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:12,720
in this approach there is a purely

1650
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:14,700
arbitrary connection between the content

1651
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,760
form of the message semiotic based

1652
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,440
messages have a wider range of

1653
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,660
possibilities for relating form and

1654
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,270
semiated

1655
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,710
categorized signs according to the ways

1656
01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,400
that the sign had signified are related

1657
01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:34,440
to one another in the association

1658
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,319
between the sign the coin

1659
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,599
and its signified object this

1660
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:42,000
relationship is purely arbitrary the

1661
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:43,859
sign for this object could have well

1662
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:47,039
been the poof offer this is a purely

1663
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,799
conventional Association in semiotics

1664
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:51,599
when the association between sine and

1665
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:53,880
signified is arbitrary the sign is

1666
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,760
referred to as a symbol with symbols

1667
01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:58,140
there is no interesting connection

1668
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,900
between the form of expression and the

1669
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,359
content that is expressed

1670
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:06,240
there are there are alternatives to the

1671
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:07,980
arbitrary connection between sign and

1672
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:11,220
signify that are seen in symbols one

1673
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:13,140
alternative is the icon

1674
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,299
a sign that bears a physical resemblance

1675
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,719
to the signified with icons the form of

1676
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:21,600
the message reflects its contents for

1677
01:08:27,709 --> 01:08:24,960
example the profile of the man on a

1678
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,719
modern American Quarter is an icon for a

1679
01:08:31,249 --> 01:08:29,400
specific man who was the first president

1680
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:31,259
of the United States

1681
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:33,299
we can also represent the same men with

1682
01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:35,219
the symbol George Washington

1683
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,779
in the former case the image of

1684
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:38,640
Washington is an icon because it

1685
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,000
physically resembles the signified

1686
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:43,920
icons can also be used when the

1687
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,319
signified is less concrete

1688
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,719
for example the scales of Justice icon

1689
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:51,179
represents the concept of Justice

1690
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:53,400
because there is similarity between the

1691
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:59,870
at Fatima The Entity first described as

1692
01:09:04,669 --> 01:09:02,279
an angel of Peace within a globe of

1693
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:04,679
light became a Lady of Light and then

1694
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,259
the 1917 observations

1695
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:09,359
in turn she became identified with the

1696
01:09:14,749 --> 01:09:11,699
symbol of Mary and ultimately with the

1697
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:14,759
Virgin herself

1698
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:17,100
it is also helpful to realize that icons

1699
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:19,140
are not specific to the visual sensory

1700
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,420
modality it is possible to have a sign

1701
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,460
that physically resembles a signified in

1702
01:09:28,329 --> 01:09:24,960
a non-visual way

1703
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:28,339
for example the fly oh man this is tough

1704
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:29,900
spillomaya

1705
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:33,359
hemophilia sure beats its wings at a

1706
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:34,859
frequency very close to the wing beat

1707
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,160
frequency of the dangerous wasp blah

1708
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:41,279
blah as a result when one of these flies

1709
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:43,259
is in the vicinity of a group of these

1710
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:45,719
wasps the fly gains some immunity from

1711
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:48,540
Attack by birds The Flash mimicry of the

1712
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:51,239
WASP occurs within the auditory modality

1713
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:53,460
it is not attacked by would-be Predators

1714
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,040
because it sounds like the wasps in

1715
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:58,620
short the fly's defense strategy is

1716
01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:01,679
based on producing an auditory icon

1717
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,540
in which it applies Wing beating

1718
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:05,580
physically resembles the wing beat of

1719
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,669
icons could function in any sensory

1720
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:12,719
modality given that we are not sure

1721
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:15,060
which sensory modality may be primary

1722
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,060
for etz UAP a sign for communication

1723
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,219
that is not reliant on any particular

1724
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:23,520
sensory modality would be preferable

1725
01:10:28,990 --> 01:10:26,580
in seti electromagnetic radiation is

1726
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,000
used as an iconic representation

1727
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:31,199
allowing a direct communication of

1728
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:32,820
Concepts

1729
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,980
uh without encoding the message into

1730
01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:37,679
format specific to a particular sensory

1731
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:40,340
modality and using icons the messages

1732
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,420
recipients are pointed directly toward

1733
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:45,360
the phenomena of interest and not toward

1734
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,600
our models of these phenomena

1735
01:10:52,729 --> 01:10:50,340
from a more complete perspective the

1736
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:52,739
sign and the signified are in the tri

1737
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:54,850
trideic

1738
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:57,060
[Laughter]

1739
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,820
try a dick with The Interpreter of the

1740
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:02,159
relationship that's a similarity that

1741
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:04,260
exists between an icon and its reference

1742
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:06,120
does not exist independently of the

1743
01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:08,340
intelligence perceiving this similarity

1744
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:10,980
although in

1745
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:16,790
yeah there is a natural connection

1746
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:18,900
between the sign and the signified this

1747
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:20,100
connection cannot exist without

1748
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:23,400
intelligence to observe the connection

1749
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:25,800
ultimately the problem of

1750
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:27,020
icon

1751
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:32,580
eye of the beholder and because we do

1752
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:35,100
not know what et's UAP I really like we

1753
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,219
cannot be sure that what to us seems an

1754
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:40,440
obvious similarity will be seen as such

1755
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:41,699
by an intelligence with different

1756
01:11:46,669 --> 01:11:44,460
biology culture and history

1757
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:46,679
possibly originating in a different

1758
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,800
Universe thus Judgment of similarity is

1759
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:51,540
not purely objective

1760
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:53,400
but is influenced by a variety of

1761
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,860
factors that impact conventions of

1762
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,080
interpretation

1763
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:00,480
all right I'll pick up what the UAP and

1764
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:04,020
abduction problem Oh Perfect yep

1765
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:06,360
the aforementioned behavior of UAP is

1766
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:08,940
not fundamentally absurd this apparent

1767
01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:11,100
absurdity is merely a reflection of the

1768
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:12,600
cognitive mismatch or the

1769
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,000
incommensurability problem that exists

1770
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,280
between humans and the phenomenon

1771
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,920
in this particular case UAP are sending

1772
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:21,960
the message and we are the recipients

1773
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:25,040
the message is sent to us are icons

1774
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:27,900
icons fashioned by the phenomenon and

1775
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:29,580
sent to us via various sensory

1776
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,460
modalities the difference between our

1777
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:35,520
respective cultures biologies sensory

1778
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:38,219
modalities histories dimensional

1779
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:41,699
existence physical Evolution models of

1780
01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:44,219
Nature and Science Etc may be directly

1781
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,719
responsible for our lack of

1782
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,699
understanding of the phenomenon and its

1783
01:12:51,490 --> 01:12:50,640
message we cannot see what UAP believed

1784
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,500
to be

1785
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:54,719
iconical similarities in the message

1786
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,300
that is intended for us these stated

1787
01:13:01,970 --> 01:12:59,280
differences directly impact our

1788
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,980
conventions of interpretation in such a

1789
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:04,560
way as to impair our recognition of the

1790
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:07,080
similarity between the sign and the

1791
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:09,719
signified contained within the icons of

1792
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,540
the UAP message further impairing our

1793
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,000
ability to see and understand the

1794
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:17,280
potential message or pattern

1795
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:18,840
the difference between the sensory

1796
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:21,420
modalities of UAP entities and humans

1797
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,060
may be responsible for our inability to

1798
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:26,880
properly detect the UAP message and

1799
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,500
correspond with them

1800
01:13:33,709 --> 01:13:31,440
this difference may also prevent us from

1801
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:33,719
correctly interpreting what their icons

1802
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:37,020
are if we do in fact recognize them in

1803
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:39,000
this regard recall that we will project

1804
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:41,640
our own species specific experiences

1805
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:44,820
onto their icons messages thus

1806
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:46,679
manifesting the appearance of quote

1807
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:49,560
unquote absurdity during the human UAP

1808
01:13:53,689 --> 01:13:50,940
interaction

1809
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:53,699
UFO Abduction cases May exemplify this

1810
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:56,100
in the sense that the Absurd activities

1811
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,440
or scenes concurrent with abduction

1812
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:00,840
events could merely be the iconical

1813
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,140
defense mechanism deployed by the UAP to

1814
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:06,480
protect itself from the subject much

1815
01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:10,080
like the way that fly protects itself

1816
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:13,020
from Birds by mimicry

1817
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:14,280
uh

1818
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,000
creeper quipper keeper and Freitas

1819
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:21,600
suggests that uet's UAP visiting Earth

1820
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,900
would find it necessary to hide

1821
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,880
themselves from our detection mechanisms

1822
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,320
until they have assessed our

1823
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,480
technological level or Potential Threat

1824
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,640
and Hazards they would employ an

1825
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:34,980
Adaptive multi-level risk program to

1826
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:36,300
avoid Danger

1827
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:38,699
low observable stealth such as simple

1828
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:41,100
camouflage through mimicry which works

1829
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,080
well in nature maybe the technique of

1830
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:45,300
choice from visiting UAP

1831
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:47,880
ETI experienced in surveillance

1832
01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:51,000
examples of mimicry techniques are UAP

1833
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:53,460
ETI entering the atmosphere with either

1834
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:56,100
the look or trajectory of a meteor or

1835
01:15:01,370 --> 01:14:58,920
hidden within a meteor shower behaving

1836
01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:01,380
like dark meteors without the associated

1837
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,199
Optical signature hiding within an

1838
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:06,480
artificial or natural cloud or a

1839
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:09,300
satellite re-entry behaving as pseudo

1840
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:11,580
Stars sitting stationary over certain

1841
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,940
regions or mimicking man-made aircraft's

1842
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,800
aggregate features

1843
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,960
another possibility is mimicry

1844
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,940
techniques employed for the manipulation

1845
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:23,520
of human consciousness to induce the

1846
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:25,620
various manifestations of absurd

1847
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:28,440
interactions or scenery associated with

1848
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:30,659
the encounter yet another would be to

1849
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:32,940
appear as an entity recognizable within

1850
01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:35,400
the target culture as an angel demon or

1851
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:37,500
deity

1852
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,159
um

1853
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,360
and then uh I'll just wrap it up I guess

1854
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:44,100
modern engineering has made us familiar

1855
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,199
with display technologies that produce

1856
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,239
three-dimensional images with color

1857
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:50,280
motion and perspective through physical

1858
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:53,460
devices we speculate that UAP are

1859
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:55,380
analogous to these display Technologies

1860
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:57,780
but utilize a wider range of variables

1861
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,300
to operate on the percipience and

1862
01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:02,820
through them on human culture the long

1863
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,880
time scale in the global nature of the

1864
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,860
effects make it difficult to test

1865
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:09,840
hypotheses involving such cultural

1866
01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:10,920
effects

1867
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:13,560
science fiction has familiarized us with

1868
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,480
the concept of machines or beings

1869
01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:17,820
projecting an image of themselves that

1870
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,699
systematically confuses observers one

1871
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,320
could imagine that UAP represent

1872
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:24,480
physical craft equipped with the means

1873
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,520
to interact both with the surrounding

1874
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,860
atmosphere and with the senses of

1875
01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:31,199
observers in such a way as to convey a

1876
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,659
false image of their real nature

1877
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,520
one could argue that such an object

1878
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,920
could use microwave devices to create

1879
01:16:42,169 --> 01:16:39,840
perceptual hallucinations in the

1880
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,179
witnesses including messages that are

1881
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:44,340
heard or seen by signal a single

1882
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,020
individual in a group

1883
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,500
even such a complex scheme however fails

1884
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:51,719
to explain all the reported effects and

1885
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:53,820
the subsequent Behavior changes in close

1886
01:16:59,090 --> 01:16:56,580
range Witnesses we must assume something

1887
01:17:02,510 --> 01:16:59,100
more the triggering of deep-seated

1888
01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:02,520
processes within their personality the

1889
01:17:07,970 --> 01:17:05,159
question then becomes to what extent are

1890
01:17:10,189 --> 01:17:07,980
these effects evidence of a purposeful

1891
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:10,199
action of the operators

1892
01:17:14,930 --> 01:17:12,540
to answer this question and to test more

1893
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:14,940
fully the hypothesis that UAP phenomena

1894
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:17,699
are both physical and psychic in nature

1895
01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:20,880
we need much better investigations a

1896
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:23,580
great upgrading of data quality and a

1897
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:26,520
more informed analysis not only of the

1898
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:29,100
object being described but of the impact

1899
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,100
of the observation on the witnesses and

1900
01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:34,320
their social environment

1901
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:37,080
in other words we need to develop a

1902
01:17:41,149 --> 01:17:39,179
multi-disciplinary methodology that

1903
01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:41,159
encompasses all six of the layers we

1904
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:43,500
have identified and can be applied to

1905
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:46,199
study as well as to UFO phenomena and

1906
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,640
close encounters with the entities

1907
01:17:51,530 --> 01:17:49,440
associated with them

1908
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:51,540
such a methodology would open the way to

1909
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:54,300
the rational testing of hypotheses in an

1910
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:56,340
important domain that has been sorely

1911
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:59,400
neglected by mainstream science for too

1912
01:18:01,970 --> 01:18:00,540
long

1913
01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:01,980
wow

1914
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:05,460
what gave oh you too

1915
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:08,100
um so man you know like this was present

1916
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:11,219
presented I believe in Porto so it was

1917
01:18:15,169 --> 01:18:12,179
appropriate that they brought up

1918
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,179
Portugal quite a bit but um back in 2003

1919
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:17,360
it happens to be where my

1920
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:20,280
great-grandfather is from

1921
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,060
right very cool yeah so um thanks

1922
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,460
everybody for indulging us I I I hope

1923
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,840
that that was we hope that that was

1924
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,520
interesting for you I think it's a

1925
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:31,800
fascinating paper and you know that's 20

1926
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:33,540
years ago and it's all right and it's

1927
01:18:36,649 --> 01:18:34,320
still

1928
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,659
like arguably very ahead of the curve

1929
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:38,699
when it comes to the the mainstream

1930
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:41,400
conversation about UAP don't you think

1931
01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:45,420
yeah yes and he has a very unique way of

1932
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:47,480
in um

1933
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:49,860
sophisticated way of telling you you

1934
01:18:53,630 --> 01:18:51,530
don't know [\h__\h]

1935
01:18:55,490 --> 01:18:53,640
[Laughter]

1936
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,500
the like all these different things

1937
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:58,080
could be not what you think and and it's

1938
01:19:05,270 --> 01:18:59,820
a

1939
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:05,280
most is is something I never thought

1940
01:19:09,530 --> 01:19:07,080
about before which is learning with your

1941
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,540
eyes learning visually you know I've

1942
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:12,000
I've never actually considered that

1943
01:19:16,729 --> 01:19:14,100
before no what if

1944
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:16,739
you know whatever other entity exists

1945
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:21,300
like learns with its ears or its smell

1946
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:24,060
you know like and how do you communicate

1947
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:26,520
with somebody if that's the case like I

1948
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:28,739
can make you smell something really bad

1949
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,140
but I can't really communicate

1950
01:19:35,209 --> 01:19:33,360
what I want to get across to you you

1951
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:35,219
know what I mean oh absolutely and

1952
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,380
similarly it could you know could be

1953
01:19:41,630 --> 01:19:39,600
happening here maybe there's however

1954
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:41,640
they learned is a completely different

1955
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:44,400
than visually so and it could be sending

1956
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:47,580
signals to us in a form of which you

1957
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:49,980
know they've learned to have learned

1958
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:52,679
and we haven't so we don't recognize it

1959
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,540
or whatever you know

1960
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:56,580
you know what's that reminds me of

1961
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:58,020
something and you're absolutely right

1962
01:20:02,209 --> 01:20:00,540
and it's fascinating I I'm reminded of

1963
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,219
and this is a little bit of a

1964
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:05,040
controversial Source here but um

1965
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:08,760
um David Jacobs right the the abduction

1966
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:10,980
researcher for lack of a better term

1967
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,080
who's now retired

1968
01:20:17,450 --> 01:20:15,360
um he wrote I believe it was in Walking

1969
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:17,460
Among Us which was his the last book

1970
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:19,140
that he published

1971
01:20:25,729 --> 01:20:23,400
um he was writing about accounts

1972
01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:25,739
of of

1973
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:26,420
um

1974
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:29,580
abductees people being taken to an

1975
01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:32,940
environment and being

1976
01:20:42,130 --> 01:20:38,219
um made to attempt uh telepathy with

1977
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:42,140
um what Jacobs believed were like hybrid

1978
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:46,260
uh uh you know mixed beings that were

1979
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:49,500
somewhat human right and um that may

1980
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,000
have had some other thing and so you

1981
01:20:56,030 --> 01:20:53,760
know David Jacobs like really went into

1982
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,040
the land of speculation with a lot of

1983
01:21:00,410 --> 01:20:58,080
the data that he got and a lot of people

1984
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,420
including myself think that he had a lot

1985
01:21:05,689 --> 01:21:03,600
of great data but he was really not so

1986
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,699
great at analyzing that data and that's

1987
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:07,199
something that you know a lot of people

1988
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:09,420
deal with and it's a lot like what what

1989
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:11,940
valet and and and Davis are talking

1990
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:13,860
about in this paper you know the problem

1991
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:17,040
of of of when we anthropomorphize things

1992
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,060
or or we we we shift you know these what

1993
01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:23,040
what's intended in a message so for

1994
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:24,420
example

1995
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:30,480
um uh Jacobs was describing how an

1996
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:32,580
abductee reported that they were being

1997
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:34,140
tasked

1998
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:37,260
um to to sit opposite this this

1999
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:42,300
perceived hybrid and and asked to try to

2000
01:21:48,770 --> 01:21:45,659
communicate the message of of how you

2001
01:21:51,709 --> 01:21:48,780
peel an orange to the hybrid who had

2002
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:51,719
never seen an orange before all right

2003
01:21:59,209 --> 01:21:56,940
and and they Jacobs in the book is like

2004
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,219
it's absurd what these these things do

2005
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,320
like why like why would they do that

2006
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:04,080
that's so dumb and then and I was in

2007
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:05,940
like and and I was thinking to myself

2008
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,620
like what's so dumb about that and then

2009
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:09,360
he goes why wouldn't you just have an

2010
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:12,420
orange there she could just show her and

2011
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,219
like I was thinking like dude you are

2012
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:17,040
like profoundly missing the point here

2013
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,500
this is not about oranges dude I'm

2014
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:21,420
pretty sure about that you know I might

2015
01:22:26,209 --> 01:22:23,940
be like mixing up the messages myself

2016
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,219
like I you know I can't pretend to know

2017
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:29,040
for sure but I'm pretty sure that

2018
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:31,800
exercise was not about like fruit

2019
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,020
topology you know what I mean at least

2020
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,000
and kind of at least in a

2021
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,920
straightforward manner of explaining how

2022
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:40,260
to need an orange right right but but

2023
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,120
it's fascinating because you know like

2024
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:45,120
the difference you know the the task was

2025
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,400
like imagine the orange in your mind and

2026
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:50,000
try to communicate the you know the

2027
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:53,100
iconography of of doing this almost like

2028
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,040
a gif right and and it's fascinating

2029
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:57,600
that they're writing this 20 years ago

2030
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:00,179
because you know there are lots and lots

2031
01:23:04,270 --> 01:23:01,920
of accounts of people being

2032
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:04,280
telepathically Community communicated

2033
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:07,380
GIF like imagery

2034
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:09,060
um that seems to be you know like

2035
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:12,360
telepathic shorthand you know and I

2036
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,580
think that that's I I think that that's

2037
01:23:19,070 --> 01:23:16,800
a fascinating topic like the language of

2038
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:19,080
you know what are there like

2039
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:21,659
International or your Interstellar

2040
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:24,120
standards in telepathy like like how

2041
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:26,640
much like and like how much are they

2042
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:28,860
having to these others how much are they

2043
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,699
having to reach towards our towards our

2044
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,760
cultural understandings right right you

2045
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:37,440
know because like so much of what

2046
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:38,520
they're talking about here in terms of

2047
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:40,020
cloaking and mimicry and things like

2048
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,120
that you know if we were time traveling

2049
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:44,159
back you know people comment on this

2050
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:46,380
like Mike Masters and other figures like

2051
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,420
this and say like you know if we went

2052
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:50,159
back to the 1700s if we had a time

2053
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,920
machine we went back to the 1700s we

2054
01:23:57,890 --> 01:23:54,719
could probably pull off some pretty

2055
01:23:59,689 --> 01:23:57,900
perfect crimes much like uaps do now

2056
01:24:01,790 --> 01:23:59,699
with us where it's like well where's all

2057
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,800
you know where's the physical evidence

2058
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,320
etc etc however the thing that we would

2059
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:06,239
probably get hung up on if we were to

2060
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,640
time travel back to the 1700s would be a

2061
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,500
lot of the cultural trappings because

2062
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,239
we'd look weird we wouldn't know the

2063
01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,280
lingo we wouldn't know you know what I

2064
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,380
mean we wouldn't know verbal shorthand

2065
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,960
for certain things we'd have like a like

2066
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:21,360
a vastly different version of English

2067
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,460
that we'd be using for you know assuming

2068
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,960
that we're going to pull off the perfect

2069
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:27,600
crime in an English location right I

2070
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,159
mean just go back and watch old movies

2071
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:30,960
and and how they talk in those movies

2072
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:34,260
you know yeah well Jay I I guess we

2073
01:24:38,290 --> 01:24:35,880
ought to get started out on this UFO

2074
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,300
investigation huh

2075
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,800
Transit they called it the Transatlantic

2076
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,320
accent yeah right

2077
01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:45,600
yeah so yeah it would be like that yeah

2078
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:47,159
and then they'd have a article probably

2079
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:50,820
in the newspaper that time man claims to

2080
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:53,219
uh have traveled time and brings this

2081
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:55,800
message and it would be us you know yeah

2082
01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:59,040
and like Ian Ian brings up in the chat

2083
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:00,600
apparently a grave played a recorder

2084
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:03,179
flute with by putting it up to its nose

2085
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,980
I haven't heard that story or account I

2086
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:06,960
think that's great I remember one one

2087
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:09,300
story that I really liked it was an

2088
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:11,340
account of like somebody being visited

2089
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:13,320
by I believe it was a Men In Black

2090
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:16,860
situation and like the Men in Black

2091
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:19,920
um was sat down at the kitchen table and

2092
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:23,040
was and was you know talking to to the

2093
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:24,420
person in the house and the and the

2094
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:26,820
person offered offered the Men in Black

2095
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:29,940
like um like uh like

2096
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:32,820
um a Jello like a little Jello container

2097
01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:36,960
right and and what and the thing that

2098
01:25:42,169 --> 01:25:40,739
that was strange among the many other

2099
01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:42,179
strange things with his Men In Black

2100
01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:45,000
encounter was that the Men in Black

2101
01:25:51,169 --> 01:25:46,980
um looked at the jello and then tried to

2102
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,179
drink it instead of instead of using you

2103
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,280
know a spoon or whatever and that the

2104
01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:55,620
person was like whoa and first of all I

2105
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,300
mean like you know there are other asp

2106
01:26:02,350 --> 01:25:58,800
effects of that but I just love that

2107
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:05,169
yeah

2108
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:09,719
you're going to go back in time and try

2109
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:11,580
to pull off the Perfect Crime you know

2110
01:26:15,290 --> 01:26:13,380
watch your table manners that would be

2111
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,300
one takeaway yeah from our show today

2112
01:26:19,729 --> 01:26:17,400
for sure yeah it sure is like throws a

2113
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,739
wrench into everything right they would

2114
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:21,300
have a head start if they're involved in

2115
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:23,100
our construction if they were involved

2116
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:24,600
in our construction I would I would

2117
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:26,040
think at that point they would know how

2118
01:26:31,729 --> 01:26:27,780
to communicate with us in any way they

2119
01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:31,739
prefer I would think yep yeah that's a

2120
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:33,960
really great Point surf's like yeah I

2121
01:26:39,530 --> 01:26:36,120
mean and that's that's incredibly

2122
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:39,540
possible you know I mean

2123
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,300
yeah and and also you know there's

2124
01:26:46,729 --> 01:26:44,400
there's also the the time loopy effect

2125
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:46,739
where like if Mike Masters is right

2126
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:49,380
and a lot of these beings are us from

2127
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:52,560
the future then you know

2128
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:55,139
who who's to say that you know what

2129
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:58,020
about the time Paradox of them of our

2130
01:27:02,209 --> 01:27:00,060
future descendants coming back to help

2131
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,219
found our civilization in the first

2132
01:27:06,530 --> 01:27:04,320
place or something like that right yeah

2133
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,540
um it gets really really tricky when we

2134
01:27:09,410 --> 01:27:08,460
think about things like that but you

2135
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:09,420
know

2136
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:12,480
um I I think that there's probably

2137
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:14,820
I think that there's probably more to it

2138
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,100
than just Time Travelers I think that

2139
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:19,199
it's very possible that that someone

2140
01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:21,719
develops time travel in the future and

2141
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:23,460
that we we could have time travelers

2142
01:27:27,169 --> 01:27:25,500
around us now but I don't think that it

2143
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:27,179
necessarily explains everything what do

2144
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:28,500
you think Sean

2145
01:27:33,530 --> 01:27:31,320
uh that's a really hard question but the

2146
01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:33,540
thing about time travelers is that you

2147
01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:34,980
can kind of

2148
01:27:39,649 --> 01:27:37,320
um you can start to think about how it's

2149
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:39,659
possible that way right like I can't

2150
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,260
imagine how uh life grows up on a

2151
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:45,000
different planet and how that happens

2152
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:47,940
like I can't even fathom that and to try

2153
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,500
to think of something that would be so

2154
01:27:52,610 --> 01:27:51,360
completely different from you just blows

2155
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,620
your brain

2156
01:27:56,450 --> 01:27:54,239
but when you think about time travelers

2157
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:56,460
you can think about the technology that

2158
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,380
it would take to do something like that

2159
01:28:03,169 --> 01:28:00,540
and although you know it may not exist

2160
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:03,179
right now theoretically a lot of those

2161
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:04,860
things are possible you know like

2162
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,900
wormholes

2163
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:09,360
um you know traveling through time and

2164
01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:11,940
you know so

2165
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:14,280
you know in the way Masters puts it with

2166
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:16,139
our body would evolve naturally over

2167
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:18,900
time looks a lot like it would be like

2168
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:22,560
what great aliens look like so you know

2169
01:28:31,010 --> 01:28:28,490
you know but but then you know you gotta

2170
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,020
I at least start to think about people's

2171
01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:33,600
personal encounters including my own and

2172
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:35,940
how much it just doesn't make sense for

2173
01:28:40,930 --> 01:28:38,520
somebody to travel through time to for

2174
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:40,940
that interaction yeah

2175
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:45,420
you know so so it but it would make more

2176
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,920
sense and you know in regards to other

2177
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,600
things like worldly Affairs like right

2178
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:51,360
now on the brink of World War III like

2179
01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:53,820
you know of a group of brilliant

2180
01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:55,560
scientists survived that right maybe

2181
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:57,179
they want to try to go back in time and

2182
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,100
save everything or change history or

2183
01:29:03,950 --> 01:29:01,679
whatever sure you know so absolutely I

2184
01:29:05,330 --> 01:29:03,960
don't know but yeah uh there's there's

2185
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:05,340
so many arguments for everything the

2186
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:06,840
universe is so big we've heard it so

2187
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:10,020
many times like 100 you know anything

2188
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,900
could be anywhere and

2189
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:15,120
you know it's just like if we'll ever

2190
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:16,620
find it or if we're ever meant to find

2191
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:19,139
it or if we have the ability to find it

2192
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,520
you know

2193
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:22,500
so

2194
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:26,880
no idea but I'm open to pretty much

2195
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:28,440
anything

2196
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:29,040
yeah

2197
01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:32,100
me too man I agree with you I've seen so

2198
01:29:35,629 --> 01:29:33,900
so many great points come up in the chat

2199
01:29:37,790 --> 01:29:35,639
today and it's it's I'm just really

2200
01:29:39,649 --> 01:29:37,800
happy to be able to to spend this time

2201
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:39,659
with you and everybody around here this

2202
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:41,940
is yeah I see and I think that like

2203
01:29:45,470 --> 01:29:43,320
going through some of these classic

2204
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,480
cases like the Stringfield last week and

2205
01:29:51,229 --> 01:29:47,760
and going through the six layer dock by

2206
01:29:52,970 --> 01:29:51,239
valet and and Davis is is really I think

2207
01:29:55,010 --> 01:29:52,980
it's really great I think it's it's

2208
01:29:56,990 --> 01:29:55,020
really helpful to do it's it's it's

2209
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,000
thought provoking for me and the act of

2210
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,280
doing it and like I I hope that other

2211
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:00,960
people get a kick out of it too because

2212
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,300
I'm really enjoying this stuff yeah yeah

2213
01:30:07,729 --> 01:30:05,760
and I like it too it forces me to sit on

2214
01:30:09,709 --> 01:30:07,739
and be patient and think about it you

2215
01:30:12,649 --> 01:30:09,719
know versus just like reading it with

2216
01:30:17,209 --> 01:30:12,659
ADHD and kind of taking some of it in

2217
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:17,219
but not all of it you know so yeah so no

2218
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:18,900
that's good um I know you got to get

2219
01:30:24,669 --> 01:30:20,699
going I'm gonna actually end this show

2220
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:24,679
with a new song Hey awesome all right

2221
01:30:28,669 --> 01:30:27,120
so cool man that's about three and a

2222
01:30:30,830 --> 01:30:28,679
half minutes anybody's interested check

2223
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:30,840
it out if if you're not that's fine too

2224
01:30:35,689 --> 01:30:33,360
excellent uh yeah with that being said I

2225
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,699
guess we'll check you next week

2226
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:37,920
maybe we'll have a guess maybe we won't

2227
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,380
we'll figure it out yeah we'll figure it

2228
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:42,719
out oh and um I don't know if you saw

2229
01:30:47,629 --> 01:30:45,120
but I had like along the conference

2230
01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:47,639
scheme uh that's next week along the

2231
01:30:53,090 --> 01:30:49,800
conference schedule we have Kurt J

2232
01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:53,100
mungle from theories of everything and I

2233
01:30:55,610 --> 01:30:54,300
just I just announced that Brandon

2234
01:30:57,050 --> 01:30:55,620
fugo's going to be joining us as well

2235
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,060
that just came up in the last time oh

2236
01:31:00,110 --> 01:30:58,800
it's nice which is going to be awesome

2237
01:31:01,669 --> 01:31:00,120
so he's gonna be in channel for some

2238
01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,679
History Channel stuff so anyway

2239
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:03,179
in-person tickets for that are already

2240
01:31:06,350 --> 01:31:04,920
sold out but there's still live streams

2241
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:06,360
around I just wanted to mention that as

2242
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:08,580
like a you know print for our audience

2243
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,460
absolutely yeah yeah no problem it'll be

2244
01:31:19,330 --> 01:31:14,040
a great show everybody check it out and

2245
01:31:27,860 --> 01:31:22,850
absolutely see you later everybody peace

2246
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:39,070
[Music]

2247
01:31:45,890 --> 01:31:42,960
let's imagine for a second

2248
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,900
the weight of the world is so heavy that

2249
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:47,120
you left it

2250
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:49,860
catching my breath to the very last

2251
01:31:57,169 --> 01:31:53,820
document the evidence built along with

2252
01:31:59,090 --> 01:31:57,179
years of neglect and whether I'm wrong

2253
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:59,100
or right

2254
01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:02,040
it's debated while objects flash through

2255
01:32:07,790 --> 01:32:03,900
the light

2256
01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:07,800
some won't even take your eyesight

2257
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:11,780
something so dark come from the light

2258
01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:14,040
as I swim

2259
01:32:27,310 --> 01:32:23,290
I'll know that's the best part

2260
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:27,320
[Music]

2261
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:35,350
oh

2262
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:38,580
mistakes made when they're all fully

2263
01:32:44,090 --> 01:32:39,690
open doors

2264
01:32:45,649 --> 01:32:44,100
[Music]

2265
01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:45,659
built

2266
01:32:50,990 --> 01:32:47,960
with a different law

2267
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:51,000
[Music]

2268
01:32:55,950 --> 01:32:53,940
well none makes sense that I feel it in

2269
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:55,960
my core

2270
01:33:04,000 --> 01:32:59,840
[Music]

2271
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:04,010
as I swim through the Stars

2272
01:33:15,790 --> 01:33:11,950
oh no that's the best part

2273
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:24,430
as I swing swim through the Stars

2274
01:33:40,270 --> 01:33:28,080
I don't know that's the best part

2275
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:40,280
[Music]

2276
01:33:47,890 --> 01:33:43,090
I don't know it's the best part

2277
01:34:15,709 --> 01:33:47,900
[Music]

2278
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:18,020
thank you